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Stop attacking the beginners.

Journal Entry: Fri Nov 9, 2012, 1:59 AM
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I've been encouraging my friends and younger schoolmates to get back drawing. It was HARD!! Really hard to get someone to get back to what they've stopped doing. I know they liked drawing and I saw talent within them, that's why I kept telling them to have fun with it.
AND THEN, someone had to ruin it with "Why are your line arts so messy?" "I don't like this, I don't like that" "The anatomy is too awkward" "What's wrong with his eyes" blah blah.

It discouraged them.

Okay, you may draw better than them, but that doesn't mean you can comment on the arts you don't like. Many times it can hurt the artists specially the beginners who had no courage in doing art. They might just stop it because they don't want to receive comments like that.

You don't like the art? Just close the browser. Seriously, there are tons of way to stay away from the arts you don't like. Don't just comment anything you like.

Commenting something like "This is what I don't like about your art ...." is just purely rude. You don't like it, just frigging leave it. You may think it's a "suggestion" but nope. Commenting something negative isn't really a suggestion. If you want to suggest something badly, go find those arts on dA that requested for critiques, there are tons of those out there that haven't been critiqued yet.
Or kindly ask the artist "Would you mind if I suggest something?" and wait for the response from the artist themselves weather they want the suggestion or not. That's a nice way to give someone your idea. At least you know the artist is accepting it so you don't have to feel like you have given a forced comment. It's kinda cute that you want to help someone improve and ask them before you do it. I like those kind of people. Really.

Suggestion isn't a bad thing, but keep in mind; ASK the artist first if they wanted it or not. Some people don't like others to touch their arts by adding their own ideas onto the art they have created. The art belongs to the artist and they have the right to keep it how they want.

The artist not wanting suggestion doesn't mean they don't want to improve, but many of them are proud to be a self-taught artist and want to keep it that way.  Some of them don't request for critique because they want to choose the right person to critique their arts, not just "anyone".
I'm not saying that choosing the person to give critique is a good thing or bad thing, but at least the artist can be sure that they will be given right suggestion. Sometimes when they were openly accepting the critiques, they've been getting wrong information too (That's why the critiques are able to be rated by the other users on deviantART)

Don't attack people's styles
Some artists really like their line arts sketchy. Some really like to make the anatomy look really creepy. Some really like using thin lines, thick lines, no lines, weird colors, weird placements etc. It's their own style. Doesn't matter how good looking or bad looking it is, I think it's really nice for people who have their own unique style than those who copied arts from other artists'. Just because your style is different or you don't like their style, doesn't mean you can just attack them of how ugly their style it. The art belongs to the artist. They can draw whatever they want. Floating whales, chubby shrimps, squared rabbits, transparent cows. Nothing has to make sense. Art can be art. So don't comment something like "What the hell, that doesn't even make sense, ew".
I think drawing weird stuffs is even more creative than just straight face head shots that ,okay, makes sense"

As I said, it's HARD to encourage someone to draw. Therefore, don't just discourage them like that. People are different, some cannot accept things that you do, so do not expect them to take it or leave it what you're telling them. Some can ignore it, some can't. Don't think like "Oh, I was just trying to help, if they don't like it, too bad" Cause it stays there! That's why you have to ask the first place if they wanted it or not.
Imagine yourself walking on the street and some random person just pushed an ice cream into your mouth without asking if you wanted to eat it or not, the mess will just stick on your face. It's nothing different from leaving unwanted comments on people's pages.


I know they might not be as good as you but it's their right to upload their improvements from lvl 1 on their own profiles. I think it's really lovely to see people trying hard to lvl up. I love seeing people try to improve even from the lowest level. If they don't start from 1, they can never reach 100. That's why I like seeing them starting from 1.
Don't underestimate their lvl. That lvl 1 might just get higher and pass your high lvl someday, who knows.

"Some" pros are just like the rabbit. Underestimated the turtle of how slow it is. What happened next? The rabbit carelessly fell asleep under the tree and the turtle reached the goal.....
P.S. I said "some"


Critique isn't a bad thing, just make sure you're doing it nicely and at the right place.




Your rude/insulting comments can bring people to critique your manner as well.




P.S. I'm sorry if the words were too strong. I just got really upset when someone kept attacking my friends' sketches. They've got 1 to deactivate her account. I just couldn't stand it but post a journal. It's not to insult any of you guys.

P.S.2, I've been asked by many artists to give them critique, I will say it here that I don't like giving people critiques because I don't think I'm good enough, but I'll be glad to give you some tips of how I do things the way I did. Maybe some little tutorials on what I can do. I wont tell you what I don't know or not sure though. I don't want to give you the wrong information that can ruin your arts, so please don't feel rejected by me.

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Dinolia Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Perfection isn't possible.
Anyways, I like floating whales , I've seen very cute ones ^-^!
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UTANYOsama Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
I'm really glad that someone finally say something about this, I know that many people like to attack other people art because their are so good etc etc. I, myself also once been attack because they say they don't like my sketch or how I draw or just because I draw something they don't like. believed it, after that I'm sometime afraid to upload my artwork. But I'm very strong person and take that as a challenge!! and beside doesn't art are the way we show how are we feeling and true self? thank you, it make me feel a lot better
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Kiwi-Ink Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Amen to that. I myself always make sure to help people if they want me to, but I never critique them if they don't ask for it. Also many people call me a "pro" and I'm always telling them I'm not because I know I have to improve myself and they often say they suck in comparison to me, but they shouldn't compare themselves to anyone. The best advice I can always give to beginners is to practice. Another thing is that a person a few days ago thanked me for replying to her comments all the time because she thought a person who gains a lot of watchers in short time wouldn't even notice her. But I found a few of my best friends in the past just by giving beginners a chance, cause they're not less worse than people with more practice or skills. I always grow so angry at pro artists who think of themselves as something better and there are a lot of them, even if they act cute and innocent. I mean, seriously, they started with lines and poorly drawn circles one day as well, they're not perfect.
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omnomx2 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
AMEN SISTAAAAAA!!!!!!!!! GIVE IT TO THEM HATERRRRSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!
sigh.... just don't get people like them...

but thanks a bunch for this post!!!!!! awesome as always!!!!! (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ
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GemmilyArt Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I think it's alright to critique the work as long as it's obviously in a lighthearted manner and can't be mistaken for an insult. For example, instead of saying something like "The anatomy is too awkward" you could say "I feel like the anatomy is a little awkward in [list place], however I like [list something that is good]"

I find it's always good to balance out any critique with something positive about the drawing, therefore letting them know that they're still doing good, there's just something they could fix up.
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Eternal-Apple-Lover Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That was a very long journal entry, lol, but I argee with you. If people don't like certain peoples artwork, they should just leave their thoughts to themselves if they don't like it. I don't like when people do that either. Just plain rude and it could really hurt the artists feelings as well and discouraging them. I just agree with you on this and I atleast their is people on this site who are kind enough to give people help on their art and not bash it for it not looking well enough to them. But I think there's tons of judgemental people on here as well, but I just hope I don't see someone doing that to some one else any time soon.
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penguintejas Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist
I definitely agree with you. As a community, we need to actively strive to help others improve and encourage other artists' growth, not insult their work or hurt their feelings. Unfortunately, some of the "artists" on here don't understand this, and there have probably been so many young artists who have turned away from art because they felt the community didn't accept them, and all because one user was rude and insulted their art.
I personally always try to find some positive things about a work if I intend to offer a critique, and I emphasize the good things rather than the bad. I hate it when I see other users offering critiques with absolutely nothing positive to say--that's not a critique, that's an insult. A critique offers ways to improve and also tells an artist what they are doing right, and how to maybe improve on that.
I think that an artist who only insults others' works and sees only the negative aspects of a work isn't an artist at all. I'm so sorry that your friend experienced this.

Please tell your friend that the other users on deviantart support her and that we don't support the user who was attacking her work.
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008Seravee Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Thank you for posting this :3
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TheJmansproductions Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
totally agree with this post
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Luminent-Soul Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
its reassuring to know that someone like u who understands wat a beginning artist may face
i come from a long line of bad critiques when i was drawing
i never knew wat a critique was cuz i always thought it was a word that meant someone
who will downgrade wat u draw.

i draw so i can show the ones who have wronged me for years to shove it in
their faces of wat im capable of

:iconchuplz: ur a lovely person
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Nero--Angelo Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for this :iconallmyloveplz::icondragonhugplz:

I h8 it when people just insult ur stuff. that's why I try to either comment something positive or nothing at all
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Midori250 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
ugh i wrote this whole thing out, and then my comp froze and i had to restart. I'll say a little of what i had:

THANK YOU.
People can be such jerks and inconsiderate without even taking the fact that people are beginners in mind. honestly. EVERYONE has been there, been a beginner. I know i have. I was just lucky enough not to be bullied or trolled for it. it happens to people often than they think. and bad crits..... people need to learn how to be tasteful and actually HELPFUL in the growth of someones talent, rather than plain out bash them.
You know what pisses me off the most? people who make accounts and blogs JUST to pick on and do so. it boils my blood. And then they try to JUSTIFY it??? BULLSHIT. this person lately ~LittleHouseOfMorons has caught my attention in doing so. They commented on my friend's deviation. And i decided to peek further into it since they were rude only to find that they had re-posted it on a blog bashing it even more!! FUCKING, PEOPLE LIKE THIS.
People need to stop being snobby and back the fuck off and enjoy their own life without trying to ruin others = =
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shy-pixie Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student General Artist
I agree , I am trying to learn to draw at the moment and I put myself down enough, when other people start doing it too..... I just want to give up completely...
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stormilove Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Oh gosh, thank you so much for posting this!!
When people comment badly on beginners art, and I see it, I can feel my heart drop.
I am a self-taught artist, so I know how those beginners feel.
When I first started drawing, I was so nervous, and I wanted everyone to like my art, but now, I'm not nervous at all and I don't mind if people like or dislike my art. c:
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nikissu Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
thank you so much for this!! I was really hesitant about putting up my art at first because of the fear of getting attacked by hurtful comments... BUT right now I feel like I should just keep going at it and PERSIST!
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sojupon Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
thank you~ i'm a beginner and self taught so this is really nice
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Kayla-Green Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Wow! I must say that this journal is beautiful! Fantastic that someone is standing up for those still learning (note that I said learning, not less talented. I believe everyone can reach "pro" status with time and practice) the ropes, and for those whose art styles are not the "common"
ones people usually "accept as being good".... very honourable! And very well said! I salute you!
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bookaddicted Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
And thank you for a journal like this :iconomgtearsplz:
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Pedrovidal23 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
I guess you can call what those bootleg critics are doing as bullying right? Well I'm off and on with art because I have depression, arts the only thing keeping my me going. Unfortunately I'm also dealing with another art block because of anatomy, I'm trying really hard but nothing seems to help. I mean where do I start? trying to draw the human skeleton by memory? Its totally confusing. I usually don't read your journals but I'm gonna start to, thanks for writing about this!
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kkanimegirl Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Thanks for this, really I agree too.
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MeganEliMoon Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012   Digital Artist
I don't need to read this whole journal to agree with you. There is a lot of art out there that is made by young artists and honestly it just makes me feel nostaglic for my early years. When I give critism I will always find something to compliment and suggest something to help them improve
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Saiya-STORY Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Thank you for typing this. It's so discouraging to read comments on deviant's art that are purely negative and that aren't helpful whatsover. I liked that you added to first ask before you suggest something. Because a lot of times, just saying something critiqueful right off the back is a little overwhelming for someone. At least if you ask for permission, the artist has time to prepare for an answer or to reevaluate their own work.

I've had a few comments like that myself in the past and it did hurt. More people need to think before they type or comment .
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Tygerlander Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I agree with every point you've made. I can't recall any distinct bashing on my works, but I do know of a DA friend who has been tempted to leave DA over remarks on his sketches.

*Styles1975 does incredible sketch work with pencil and I cannot see why he should be receiving such comments.

As for myself, there's lots of works I don't particularly like, but I won't knock the artist down for it, nor would I leave "constructive criticism", even when the artist asks. It's mostly because I'm at the same level so I know I'm not qualified.

I know I get discouraged easily. It's only this year that I've really focused myself, along with the support of some amazing DA friends I've made, I've definitely made headway with my drawing. And I've learned to use the "Hide Post" feature for those posts that are hateful or totally idiotic. Then keep going forward
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aku-ro Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
I think it's great that wrote a journal about this. Im sure it helps alot of people whose been a victim of this and I agree, everyone starts at "Lvl 1"..Now I haven't been a victim myself... but, I know that some of these victims already know that they can't/still need to improve drawing fingers/bodies/etc.
They dont need people to tell them, what they already know.
If you practice and believe in yourself/ignore the bad things people tell you...You'll develop and become a better artist~ o v o)/
And again this jounal~ :iconepicclapplz:
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Miinchi Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
I totally agree with your journal. To get people back on drawing is really hard and when they get stupid critique which isn't even written in a nice way they can easily loose their interest in drawing again.
I don't even get how people can be so rude? I mean I am also still trying to improve and I think I am too busy with my own art seeing what part of my art I don't like and what is already fine and what I can do to improve, that I wouldn't even be able to troll from one account to the next one. From where do people get the time to insult art? Don't they try to improve by themself????
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AbsolutePineapple Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
Very well said! Fortunately I love drawing too much to give it up no matter what, but I have gotten discouraged by people before, and I'm glad someone's speaking out against it. We all gotta start somewhere!
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AnyaKuran Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I thoroughly agree with what you said in this journal entry. Negative comments can seriously harm some artists, especially in their confidence. Not everyone starts off amazing, that takes time, patience and practice but with negative comments some people give up and don't give themselves the chance of improving and practicing their art. Its really sad when that happens. :(
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fLy-sLy Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
I'm a victim to this, and right now I lost motivation to draw. Maybe i'll get back, I don't know anymore. I'm just glad someone understands.
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InvisibleKing Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Agree.
This morning one of my deviations was added in the collection "bullshit which souldn't be called art" I really got angry but when I got on his/her page there were and other people like me. This made me more angry, I actually reported the person. I can undestand, if it was just me I would have said myself "aww my first hater" but I really can't support people who don't do anything then critiq others, and some of them can't even do that thing..
Doesn't matter if it's ugly, it's beautiful, looks like a drawing made by a 4 years old child or is something really amazing, someone gave time on that drawing, they put love and gave all the best they could! They deserve our respect, one day they'll be amazing!
And for your friends, everyone can draw, talent you get by time, you need heart, and you must love/enjoy doing it, noone was born doing art, all people started from zero and improved by time at what you see now.
I myself, have fate in me that one day I'll be as good as my idols :]
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Woah, that's the rudest way to fave someone's art ever. I hope that person gets banned.
It's like giving someone hope that their art have been faved, but when they look at it, it was faved in the meaning way ever.
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InvisibleKing Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
The person got banned U -U
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Hopefully they will learn their lesson but I doubt that
This type of people enjoy seeing ppl getting mad or sad by insulting them.
They might just create a new account and do it again.

Seriously naming peoples' works "bullshit which shouldn't be called art"..what were they thinking??
They should name themselves "Piece of shit which shouldn't be called human"
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InvisibleKing Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
It's really sad, and we, the one who can resist somehow, should report this kind of things as fast as posible so other people who really have a poor fate in them won't take wrong decisions, we should show to everyone that every piece is great in a certain way!
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
right. People who don't understand "hard works" shouldn't attack those hard working people.

The haters are just pathetic. They don't know how to deal with their problems and have to let it down at others.
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TheAssbuttNamedYuba Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I absolutely agree with this so much. Since this has happened to me before on my old account.

Somebody just appeared and said that my drawing skills sucked horribly and that I should just quit. I got so discouraged when they did and lost all of my confidence to draw at the same time. And it was sad because I enjoy drawing so much. For the last month or two or so, my motivation to draw has been dead, it disappeared, and all that. I try listening to music, looking for inspiration, and stuff to regain my motivation back, but nothing has been working.

Anyways, you put this in such a great way to understand. I love you so much. You have actually gave me some of my motivation back, to be honest!

May I share this in a journal of mine? :heart:
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Thank you very much > <

And yes, you can =]
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Aetheory Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
;__; dA seems to be turning into a place where people bitch at each others' art now. Well no, that's probably artist-confessions, but anyway--

Sorry to hear about your friends. :[ I hope they get back into drawing and numb themselves to any rude comments. People who think they're "critiquing" seem to lack the etiquette of asking permission first. It's pretty sad when they think they can just slap someone in the face with it, believing that they're helping the person. Insensitive.

But really, I hope your friends grow more confident in themselves and strive to become better at drawing too. That way the rude comments are nothing but simple annoyances. x: I remember my art being pretty bad/ugly. I got many comments picking at my style, proportions, and lines. I think I only got as far as I am now, because I believed in myself more than I believed in those rude comments. Encourage your friends of their potential. Make them believe themselves. Confidence.

...Anyway, the ones who "critique/suggest" without permission of the artist, they just need to be more sensitive to the artists's feelings. They should refrain from making remarks. Maybe it's some way to show off how knowledgeable they are of "art"...;; But all in all, take the rude comment and shove it up theirs. :/ Blah.

Hopefully the dA community will grow up one day and become better again.
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Meanest comments are mostly posted on arts that won the contests, gotten a DD, featured in big group's gal, etc.
More like jealousy than suggestion, really.
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Aetheory Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yea, I agree with you in that jealousy does play a role in the meanest of comments. Sometimes they really are just suggestions though. ;; Jealous people need to vent their frustrations through other methods but heyy, I mentioned before that the artist (the one who is being criticized) should numb themselves to such comments.
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HotaruAyanami Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Totally agree
When I started drawing from lvl 1 I was very worried because I was sure I would never reach lvl 100,and I think if someone gave me a bad critique,I would have stopped drawing. I think begginners are more delicate with this kind of critiques D: Now I donīt feel soooo bad cause I believe Iīll improve some day.
I guess critiques can be positive when are style of " If you practise a little more anatomy youīll became a great artist!" because they help you to improve and make you do your best. But the critiques like "Anatomy sucks" are pure (sorry for the word) shit. If you donīt like,donīt comment. Itīs even more annoying when the people who comment it isnīt even able to draw a line!! Try to improve yourself first!
Anyway,I think asking if someone wants a critique itīs a nice idea n_n There are also groups who give them,itīs very useful to improve.Specially if the critiques are politely done.

I hope people read this journal :heart: To make dA a better place :D
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cheychey145 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist General Artist
your right! ;~; thats why i dont comment alot unless i know the person, im afraid ill offend them and someone will hate me. and i dont think im good enough to critique anyone, but you really are ;U; your drawings are fancy and cool!
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nadapenyet97 Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
when i was little, and started to love to know how fun drawing is i got attacked by my friends who were pros :icony-u-notearplz:

ever since then i tried to respect other people's art because i don't want to be the same as my friends who used to insult my arts :iconlazycryplz:
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AngedeCristal Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
'Sorry in advance for my bad english. ^^; )

I found this journal thanks to *MyLittelRosy , and I' agree with you.

I'm one of those artists who received lot of bads critics like you said in the past : tell me I'm bad, must stop drawing, that this activity is not for me, etc etc... (But I took on myself and continue) And today again, about anatomy mainly, but well... Now, I don't care anymore.

I means... I don't like critics done by randoms deviants. I don't know them. They don't know the style I want to have. So suggest me to draw what THEY want. Sorry, no. I'm ME. Not them. I don't draw for them, but for me. Somes of them are beginners in drawing. And judge my art badly ? They don't correct their own defauts and tell me I'm bad ? Oh, funny...

So now, when I said I don't want or don't like critics, directly, people said : You don't want to improve ! You'll never become good at drawing !

Uh uh uh... No.
I read their argument like that : you don't want to draw how I want you to do 'cause I don't like your style, so you're bad.

I want critics only if I ask them, and from people I knew, 'cause I know they'll help me better than randoms deviants. My friends know what I love, and can gives me somes advices to help me to improve with what I loves to draw.
I'm a person who like to progress by herself (In drawings, but not only that). And when I see my drawings today, I can say my method suit to me, and it's working. I think I'm become a good artist, even if my art is not perfect (Well, a perfect drawings can exist ?), but at least, I draw what I love, and I guess that's the most important.
I have more and more goods comments who tell me things I always want to read. And I do it principaly by myself, not by following other's critics. (Or somes friends one, thanks to them.)

Don't draw for other. Draw for yourself first. If you do, you'll takes pleasure, and draw better.

BUT !
Yeah, there's a "but" :XD:

For beginners who really want to progress in art, they also must accept critics. Not only encouragements or good comments. 'Cause if nobody tell them what they draw wrong, they'll not improves, or really slowly. When you starts drawing, you don't really see your errors.
(I don't see mines somes years ago, and today, I help a friend to progress, and she don't really see her errors too...)

So it why I think critics are importants when you start. But... GOOD critics only, and writes by persons you know, and who really help you, if you really feel bad about stranger's critics. (I must said... Even if I prefer progress by myself, my friends' critics really help me !)
I means critics who tell you what to did right, but also wrong, and gives advices to help to correct these defauts.

If beginners don't want critics at all and/or feel bad when we tell him an error really important (anatomy mainly), and continue to draw "badly" thinking he draw correctly, and complains about bad comments... Well...
Don't complain, follow advices given to you, or stop to draw. ^^;

I know everybody want have their own style, but to be too lazy to improve and use "is my style" as an argument...
Well, somes people do that, and I don't like this mentality ^^;

If you really want to progress, accept all critics or only your friend's critics according to your mentality, but no not critics at all...

It's what I think =)
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Yeup, what I said were about pretty bad critiques. I did mention it there that they ask people they trust for the right critique.
Many times people who just dropped in gives "wrong" critiques that they think are "right"
That's why the artists chose other people who think can give them the "right" critique to comment them.

And about the style. Yes, some used "It's my style" to hide them mistakes. But also, some of them are not the "mistake" but a true style. For example, [link] this art's line art is isn't neat but I wouldn't say it's a mistake because I can see it's truely the artist's "style" and there's no need to make the line art neater. This is original. But some people might comment it like "You should make the lines connected" and made it sound like a mistake when it's not (Just an example)
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AngedeCristal Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Professional General Artist
In your sample, it's easy to say it's the artist choice =)

But yeah... If we don't draw like other want, so they don't like... Saddly =(
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red-winged-angel Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I've always honestly thought of critiques as a good thing- when it's done properly, of course. Like D3rkLynx, I usually give two positives per negative improvement.
I'll keep in mind asking the artist if they'd like one beforehand. I'm sorry to hear about your friends, though. D: Giving all the encouragement to beginners is, indeed, difficult, when they're first starting off. Best of luck to them!
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D4rkLynx Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
Really sorry to hear that about your friends :(

interesting.. never seen 'bad critiques' because of content, guess you could get the -,but it all opens the artists eyes to other views maybe.

Either way I agree with negative comments as just blatant negatives. Rule of thumb i learned for critique is if your going to comment improvements for every one give 2 positives.

Ohh I don't know such a hard issue for asking first. On one side it's the point of comments, on the other hand sometimes the artist doesn't need you to point out what they already know. But i guess better safe to suggest than miss it and not know>>
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
I guess it's because some of the artists think it's like playing a puzzle game. They might not find the piece yet that doesn't mean they will never find the piece. They don't want someone to just point out the piece and ruin the fun.
People are really different and I think it's the artists' right if they do not want the critique.

Asking shouldn't be a pain, more than that it's really polite and respectable. Just like when knocking the door and ask "may I come in?" than just get in without any permission.

I've learn from business class that say 3 good things about the person before 1 bad. But still, if that person is a completely stranger, it's better to just say nothing.
Walking in a mall, you may see someone with nice clothes but ugly belt. I wouldn't tell them 3 nice things about their outfit and 1 bad comment about the belt LOL
If I really wanna say something about it, I can just be like "I love your shirt" and that's all.
Unless it's my friend, I'll be more like "I love what you wear, but you know what would make it look even better?"
Of course asking permission to give negative comment first is the safest way to do. It's better than getting yelled at later on "Who asked for your ideas?!?"

And yes, I feel really bad about my friend =[ She's really a sensitive type of person. REALLY REALLY sensitive due to the bad background of her family that turned her that way.
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D4rkLynx Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
a puzzle? wow never thought people felt that way about art. I know some people are iffy with who comments on their work but to be honest thats a bit elitist for my taste.

It's not a pain I just mean it's also the artists responsibility to at least mention that they don't want critiques instead of just yelling at people who are just trying to help.

3/2 ye same principle to prevent being rude, of course telling them always in that format.

Lol very different scenario though? This as an art site dedicated to helping and expanding artists. People on the street wouldn't know why you were talking to them XD but I guess you could, if the format is still very polite.

Aww man that's terrible. Those people eyyy you can be honest without being rude :/
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Cygnetzzz Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012
Yeah. Mostly this journal is for those people who critiqued rudely though. They can be done nicely without hurting the artists. Really, I've seen sooooo many wrong critiques that were like 20 sentence long and were written in a mean way. "Seriously, you think it's possible for her hand to be in that position?" I mean...why must they comment it like that? At least be like "Ohhh lovely artwork! If you want a tip I can help you with the hand a bit? ;)" those comments are really more appreciated and welcomed. It's really nice to point out mistakes, indeed. But not how they cannot stand it, hate it, and so on. Not everyone are accepting those mean words. That's why I thought it will be no surprise if they were yelled at xD.

I've never got something like that though. Except this one sentence "I cannot stand your art". Oh really? Close the tab.

Oh, and this is not really a critique, more like a stupid comment "I hate mature arts. They're like porn!!" when the artist had set the "mature filter" why bother looking at it? xD It's too dumb.
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