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Stop attacking the beginners.

Journal Entry: Fri Nov 9, 2012, 1:59 AM
Sorry, this is gonna be long.
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I've been encouraging my friends and younger schoolmates to get back drawing. It was HARD!! Really hard to get someone to get back to what they've stopped doing. I know they liked drawing and I saw talent within them, that's why I kept telling them to have fun with it.
AND THEN, someone had to ruin it with "Why are your line arts so messy?" "I don't like this, I don't like that" "The anatomy is too awkward" "What's wrong with his eyes" blah blah.

It discouraged them.

Okay, you may draw better than them, but that doesn't mean you can comment on the arts you don't like. Many times it can hurt the artists specially the beginners who had no courage in doing art. They might just stop it because they don't want to receive comments like that.

You don't like the art? Just close the browser. Seriously, there are tons of way to stay away from the arts you don't like. Don't just comment anything you like.

Commenting something like "This is what I don't like about your art ...." is just purely rude. You don't like it, just frigging leave it. You may think it's a "suggestion" but nope. Commenting something negative isn't really a suggestion. If you want to suggest something badly, go find those arts on dA that requested for critiques, there are tons of those out there that haven't been critiqued yet.
Or kindly ask the artist "Would you mind if I suggest something?" and wait for the response from the artist themselves weather they want the suggestion or not. That's a nice way to give someone your idea. At least you know the artist is accepting it so you don't have to feel like you have given a forced comment. It's kinda cute that you want to help someone improve and ask them before you do it. I like those kind of people. Really.

Suggestion isn't a bad thing, but keep in mind; ASK the artist first if they wanted it or not. Some people don't like others to touch their arts by adding their own ideas onto the art they have created. The art belongs to the artist and they have the right to keep it how they want.

The artist not wanting suggestion doesn't mean they don't want to improve, but many of them are proud to be a self-taught artist and want to keep it that way.  Some of them don't request for critique because they want to choose the right person to critique their arts, not just "anyone".
I'm not saying that choosing the person to give critique is a good thing or bad thing, but at least the artist can be sure that they will be given right suggestion. Sometimes when they were openly accepting the critiques, they've been getting wrong information too (That's why the critiques are able to be rated by the other users on deviantART)

Don't attack people's styles
Some artists really like their line arts sketchy. Some really like to make the anatomy look really creepy. Some really like using thin lines, thick lines, no lines, weird colors, weird placements etc. It's their own style. Doesn't matter how good looking or bad looking it is, I think it's really nice for people who have their own unique style than those who copied arts from other artists'. Just because your style is different or you don't like their style, doesn't mean you can just attack them of how ugly their style it. The art belongs to the artist. They can draw whatever they want. Floating whales, chubby shrimps, squared rabbits, transparent cows. Nothing has to make sense. Art can be art. So don't comment something like "What the hell, that doesn't even make sense, ew".
I think drawing weird stuffs is even more creative than just straight face head shots that ,okay, makes sense"

As I said, it's HARD to encourage someone to draw. Therefore, don't just discourage them like that. People are different, some cannot accept things that you do, so do not expect them to take it or leave it what you're telling them. Some can ignore it, some can't. Don't think like "Oh, I was just trying to help, if they don't like it, too bad" Cause it stays there! That's why you have to ask the first place if they wanted it or not.
Imagine yourself walking on the street and some random person just pushed an ice cream into your mouth without asking if you wanted to eat it or not, the mess will just stick on your face. It's nothing different from leaving unwanted comments on people's pages.

I know they might not be as good as you but it's their right to upload their improvements from lvl 1 on their own profiles. I think it's really lovely to see people trying hard to lvl up. I love seeing people try to improve even from the lowest level. If they don't start from 1, they can never reach 100. That's why I like seeing them starting from 1.
Don't underestimate their lvl. That lvl 1 might just get higher and pass your high lvl someday, who knows.

"Some" pros are just like the rabbit. Underestimated the turtle of how slow it is. What happened next? The rabbit carelessly fell asleep under the tree and the turtle reached the goal.....
P.S. I said "some"

Critique isn't a bad thing, just make sure you're doing it nicely and at the right place.

Your rude/insulting comments can bring people to critique your manner as well.

P.S. I'm sorry if the words were too strong. I just got really upset when someone kept attacking my friends' sketches. They've got 1 to deactivate her account. I just couldn't stand it but post a journal. It's not to insult any of you guys.

P.S.2, I've been asked by many artists to give them critique, I will say it here that I don't like giving people critiques because I don't think I'm good enough, but I'll be glad to give you some tips of how I do things the way I did. Maybe some little tutorials on what I can do. I wont tell you what I don't know or not sure though. I don't want to give you the wrong information that can ruin your arts, so please don't feel rejected by me.

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Dinolia Featured By Owner Nov 17, 2012
Perfection isn't possible.
Anyways, I like floating whales , I've seen very cute ones ^-^!
UTANYOsama Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
I'm really glad that someone finally say something about this, I know that many people like to attack other people art because their are so good etc etc. I, myself also once been attack because they say they don't like my sketch or how I draw or just because I draw something they don't like. believed it, after that I'm sometime afraid to upload my artwork. But I'm very strong person and take that as a challenge!! and beside doesn't art are the way we show how are we feeling and true self? thank you, it make me feel a lot better
Kiwi-Ink Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
Amen to that. I myself always make sure to help people if they want me to, but I never critique them if they don't ask for it. Also many people call me a "pro" and I'm always telling them I'm not because I know I have to improve myself and they often say they suck in comparison to me, but they shouldn't compare themselves to anyone. The best advice I can always give to beginners is to practice. Another thing is that a person a few days ago thanked me for replying to her comments all the time because she thought a person who gains a lot of watchers in short time wouldn't even notice her. But I found a few of my best friends in the past just by giving beginners a chance, cause they're not less worse than people with more practice or skills. I always grow so angry at pro artists who think of themselves as something better and there are a lot of them, even if they act cute and innocent. I mean, seriously, they started with lines and poorly drawn circles one day as well, they're not perfect.
omnomx2 Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012
sigh.... just don't get people like them...

but thanks a bunch for this post!!!!!! awesome as always!!!!! (ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ
GemmilyArt Featured By Owner Nov 11, 2012  Student Digital Artist
I think it's alright to critique the work as long as it's obviously in a lighthearted manner and can't be mistaken for an insult. For example, instead of saying something like "The anatomy is too awkward" you could say "I feel like the anatomy is a little awkward in [list place], however I like [list something that is good]"

I find it's always good to balance out any critique with something positive about the drawing, therefore letting them know that they're still doing good, there's just something they could fix up.
Eternal-Apple-Lover Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist Writer
That was a very long journal entry, lol, but I argee with you. If people don't like certain peoples artwork, they should just leave their thoughts to themselves if they don't like it. I don't like when people do that either. Just plain rude and it could really hurt the artists feelings as well and discouraging them. I just agree with you on this and I atleast their is people on this site who are kind enough to give people help on their art and not bash it for it not looking well enough to them. But I think there's tons of judgemental people on here as well, but I just hope I don't see someone doing that to some one else any time soon.
penguintejas Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Hobbyist
I definitely agree with you. As a community, we need to actively strive to help others improve and encourage other artists' growth, not insult their work or hurt their feelings. Unfortunately, some of the "artists" on here don't understand this, and there have probably been so many young artists who have turned away from art because they felt the community didn't accept them, and all because one user was rude and insulted their art.
I personally always try to find some positive things about a work if I intend to offer a critique, and I emphasize the good things rather than the bad. I hate it when I see other users offering critiques with absolutely nothing positive to say--that's not a critique, that's an insult. A critique offers ways to improve and also tells an artist what they are doing right, and how to maybe improve on that.
I think that an artist who only insults others' works and sees only the negative aspects of a work isn't an artist at all. I'm so sorry that your friend experienced this.

Please tell your friend that the other users on deviantart support her and that we don't support the user who was attacking her work.
008Seravee Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012
Thank you for posting this :3
TheJmansproductions Featured By Owner Nov 10, 2012  Student Traditional Artist
totally agree with this post
Luminent-Soul Featured By Owner Nov 9, 2012  Student Digital Artist
its reassuring to know that someone like u who understands wat a beginning artist may face
i come from a long line of bad critiques when i was drawing
i never knew wat a critique was cuz i always thought it was a word that meant someone
who will downgrade wat u draw.

i draw so i can show the ones who have wronged me for years to shove it in
their faces of wat im capable of

:iconchuplz: ur a lovely person
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